Babylon Podcast #171: Phoenix Rising (Season 5)

Welcome to Show #171!

Tim and Summer revisit a couple of articles over at io9 that mention Babylon 5, and again wonder what might have transpired if we’d seen a little more of Harriman Gray during the series.

Deep Geeking: Tim and Summer discuss “Phoenix Rising”, and the beginning of the fallout from Byron’s death and the resulting uprising of rogue telepaths against the Psi Corps. The emotional impact of Byron’s death on the free telepaths, and the emotional impact of the manner of the rogues’ death on Bester are apparent, so Summer likes the payoff much better than some elements of the story leading up to the conclusion.

Feedback: Many questions and observations on “The Day of The Dead”, and the questions on whether zombies are dead or undead and how that status would affect the appetite of a hungry Pak’ma’ra.

Link: io9: Did JMS Ruin Television SF?
Link: io9: Dirt-Cheap Aliens Who Still Look Awesome

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  1. Allow me to throw my hat into the ring for future guest host. I don’t have any Wednesdays available this month, and November is NaNoWriMo, but October or December would be good.

  2. Darn, I missed the live feed again! Actually, couldn’t get it to work last time. Oh, well.

  3. Caught up with this, too, and have a few things to say (of course).

    You know what it is with Bester and Byron? I think that it is so very personal for Bester because, well, it was always /personal/ to begin with. Bester just seemed extremely invested in Byron, on too many levels, to be able to let go of him, like, ever. And Byron’s dramatic “exit” was really the only way he’d be free of Bester’s clutches, which he understood and is why he chose to do so. I always got the impression that Bester saw another him in Byron–which at some point early on in whatever history they had between them could’ve actually been true, but then Bester pushed too far and Byron refused to actually /become/ a “mini-me Bester”, for which Bester was unable to forgive him. Their relationship, to me, always seemed extremely complex, even if we don’t really get to see much of it–it sort of came off as a mix of friendship and mentorship (all of which, as far as Bester was concerned, ended up being utterly unappreciated by Byron and betrayed), but also a kind of both brotherly as well as parent/child connection (in a very dysfunctional sort of way where one, supposedly, loves the other but is very dependent on clinging to whatever connection that is possible even if all that connection brings is pain, while that other despises the former and just wants to get away as far as possible).

    About the scene between Lyta and Byron… You know, Tim? I didn’t even notice that the rest of them were just staying there watching doing nothing. I guess for me that scene was so emotionally raw that everything else kind of blended into a blurry background, which wasn’t all that important. However, now that you’ve pointed that out … that does indeed seem a wee bit odd. Akin to some fight scenes in action movies where you have a gang of bandits beating up on a hero and yet not ganging up on him all at once, but kind of waiting in circle and jumping him one by one while the rest patiently wait till whomever is currently in a fight ends up on the floor being a bloody mess.

    One last note. Neroon. Oh, /THAT/ was just brilliant–from it being him to the possible dialogue that he could’ve had with Lenier. And it would’ve made perfect sense, too. I now kind of wish it WAS Neroon because of how amazing that idea is. Damn. ๐Ÿ™ Now, because it /isn’t/ Neroon–that episode is going to be lacking, for me. I hope you’re happy, Tim. :p (Joking, of course–what do you care either way. :D)

    Thanks for another great show, guys! Looking forward to the next. ๐Ÿ™‚

  4. Neil Ottenstein says

    Neroon would have been a great idea – well done Edmund.

    Regarding the migration of souls discussion, I called in about that, but will mention it here. In the closing tag for WWE Part 2, Delenn discusses that her transformation was an attempt to restore the balance that had been upset.

  5. Neil Ottenstein says

    Not about this podcast, but I thought folk might be interested in this line from a recent JMS post:

    As for those who’ve asked when we might see the Crusade script
    books…keep watching the skies…there’s something moving up there.


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