Babylon Podcast #183: Movements of Fire and Shadow (Season 5)

Welcome to Show #183… Happy New Year everyone!

Is the end of The Babylon Podcast looming near? Will the podcast be able to complete it’s own 5-year arc? Are there enough B5 related things for us to talk about to get us to February 2011? Is there even a remote possibility to push it to a 6th year?

Deep Geeking: Tim and Summer discuss “Movements of Fire and Shadow”.

Tim believes the episode doesn’t quite pull together in as good a cohesive satisfying whole as it could have been, saving graces of the ability of various bipedal races to fart on command notwithstanding.

Does the episode suffer from having too many storylines going on at the same time? Would the story have been better served by being split into one more episode, or would the sense of urgency have been lost?

Discussion: Whoever called in the “Delenn the Ex-Minbari” Christmas parody, please call back and let us know who you are… props are well deserved!

Summer is enamored of the parodies listed on the “Ramming Speed” album by Sci-Fried, and be sure that we’ll be hearing more from them soon.

Steve from Denver corrects how many Shuttle flights are left; Fred from NJ relates that there’s a letter in support of Harlan Ellison written by JMS, dated July 1982, that’s “An Edge of My Voice” (a collection of Harlan’s LA Weekly columns from the 1980s, available from the Baen Webscriptions website); Hated Bunny wonders if the technology used by the Brakiri in “Day of the Dead” came from the technomages; Arkle doesn’t think Lyta’s appearance to Garibaldi was a dream, that it was her experimenting with her telepathic powers; and Mark sends an email to thank us for the hours and hours of entertainment we’ve given him.

Oh, and “Leave Garibaldi Alooooooone!”

Lurker’s Guide 2.0: Summer is expanding the documentation to be covered at Lurker’s Guide 2.0, the major change being converting the episode guide into a full Wiki with cross-referenced topics, tidbits and everything you’d want in a Wiki. She’s also still searching for pictures of rare collectibles, photos of magazine covers and toys, and all sorts of other B5 goodies that didn’t get included in the original guide during the years after Crusade. Let her know if you want to lend a hand.

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  1. Gary The Great says

    The Brakiri using technomage tech? If Tim didn’t hate that story enough already, he will now.

  2. Yes, we missed you! So glad y’all are back!

  3. Nice to have the Babylon Podcast back for another episode although some of the voices seemed a bit muffled (or maybe it was just my car radio- listening to it via my iPhone plugged into my car radio). I was quite surprised at the negative reaction towards this episode. “Movements of Fire and Shadow” and “The Fall of Centauri Prime” were two of my favorite episodes of the series perhaps surpassed only by “Z’Ha’Dum” and definitely were two of the best episodes of S5 although I really love the entire Centauri story arc of S5 (“Meditations on the Abyss” through “The Fall of Centauri Prime”).
    I didn’t really see the problems with the episodes that Tim did in terms of having a lot of storylines going and some pacing/editing problems. A lot of the episode for me is setting up the dominoes (or “pebbles” if you will) that are going to be knocked over and, indeed, blown to bits in the very next episode. There was, at least for me, nothing inconsequential about anything that happened in the episode and there was some kind of eventual payoff for everything that happened (the new class of ships that John and Delenn discussed were likely what led to the creation of the new ships in “Call to Arms”, right?).
    I particularly loved the ending of the episode when Londo (and I think even the Regent) realize what is going to happen with the defense grid de-activated and the fleet gone. Also, I thought that Londo’s “slow motion” run was actually pretty dramatic, particularly when paired with Christopher Franke’s intensifying score. However, of course, I realize that everybody has their own tastes.
    One other point that I wanted to mention was that I was confused about what you were talking about in regards to G’Kar helping Londo get out of the cell by……..farting???? Thankfully, they never showed anything but I was under the impression that G’Kar had regurgitated the previous night’s supper (“I’m concentrating on last night’s supper” or something to that effect). So, did he just fart, really?????
    Anyway, looking forward to next week’s discussion of “The Fall of Centauri Prime”. I’ll be interested to hear your thoughts on THAT episode!!! Take care!!! 🙂

  4. Duge: Re; G’Kar, that’s what I thought too. It certainly looked to me like he was trying to vomit on command.

  5. Jhonny from Uppsala/Satai says

    I to always regarded it as barf humor rather then fart humor.

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