Babylon Podcast #228: Each Night I Dream of Home (Crusade)

Welcome to Show #228!

Tim and Bret mull over ways of keeping better tabs on their teenage kids than their own parents kept on them. It’s a losing proposition, but one you can’t refuse…

Deep Geeking: Tim, Summer and Bret chat about “Each Night I Dream of Home”, an episode that ties into the importance of Excalibur’s mission, and shows us just how complex the task of decoding the Drakh plague virus truly is.

Tim recalls how he originally disliked this episode, because of what he thought was the “stunt casting” of characters from the original series to hook old fans; and Summer disagrees that it was “stunt casting” solely to garner ratings for TNT.

Listener Emails: Nan thinks that Gary should have his own show, consisting solely of all of Gary’s voicemails to all of the shows he calls in to. There ya go, the Garypalooza Podcast!

But Bret is really feeling unloved. We might have to do something about that…

Lurker’s Guide 2.0: Summer is expanding the documentation to be covered at Lurker’s Guide 2.0, the major change being converting the episode guide into a full Wiki with cross-referenced topics, tidbits and everything you’d want in a Wiki. She’s also still searching for pictures of rare collectibles, photos of magazine covers and toys, and all sorts of other B5 goodies that didn’t get included in the original guide during the years after Crusade. Let her know if you want to lend a hand.

More Parody/Filk Songs Wanted: If you know of any more B5-related fan songs out there, definitely let us know, so we can let other B5 fans know where to buy them! And if those CDs are out of print, let’s brainstorm on ways to get those songs back out there for fans!

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Comments

  1. I had to write an email on how wrong Tim is on spin-offs.

  2. Neil Ottenstein says:

    Year 6, but no new Year 6 opening?

    • Regarding the Season 6 open, it’s still being worked on. Hopefully Tim and Bret will get me their recorded lines BEFORE we record this week so I can put together the proper opening. I’m guessing Gary’s been busy with work/family because I haven’t heard from him in weeks.

      I still have to dig through some boxes to find my copy of the Crusade soundtrack so I can use that opening theme 🙂

  3. To restore sanity or fear? Hmm, can we have both? I can understand points on both sides, but before listening I had Summer’s position. Is there data that showed that most viewers of Crusade were in fact familiar with B5? Of course, it’s easy and normal to project your experience to the entire watching audience, but are there any records of this?

    When I saw it the first time, I did not think that these two characters were being brought in to increase the audience. Actually, thinking about this now, far out in time, how much of an audience could they have hoped to attract with this move, in that the pool would only include those B5 fans who had not seen Crusade to that point. Who else would’ve recognized Rick Biggs as Franklin? I would imagine that most B5 fans watched Crusade for at least a few episodes, at least.

    Also, for this to be really effective, would they not have had Claudia Christian in the story somehow? Tracy is nice, but Claudia was a B5 fixture for years and would have pulled in more of this alleged potential audience. But, it was a good discussion in many ways — episode preparation, clearly stated positions, and homework grading.

    Cheers!
    Michael

  4. Adam of Bureau 13 says:

    You know, I had some voice mails that I recorded and was going to send by e-mail, but, Yahoo is being a punk and won’t let me send it off. ARGH!!!! But, to give the shorts of it to you, what happened in Each Night I Dream of Home, with Franklin having to stay in that one area to prevent him getting people sick, if very relevant to those people, who like me, had or have cancer.

    When I was 11-13, I had leukemia, and there were days I where I couldn’t even leave my bedroom because someone in my family was sick and it could have proven serious to me with my weakened immune system. And the whole time frame of availably to find the cure to save Earth is something that is very true to those who have cancer. You have six months to find the cancer before it’s terminal, and the Drakh plague was 5 years, but same thing.

    If I can get the voicemail sent off I will, or I’ll just write a more detailed e-mail.

  5. Some thoughts on B5 actors appearing on CRUSADE:

    The plot of “Each Night I Dream of Home” required a plague infected individual to come aboard the Excalibur and infect David Williams. Since it was an important medical undertaking, it makes since that the infected individual should be a doctor. Since B5 established a character who was–effectively–the surgeon general of the Earth Alliance and we knew him to be on Earth at the time of infection, why not use that character? I don’t think the notion of featuring Dr. Franklin came first. I think the plot dictated a character akin to Franklin and JMS used him rather than inventing another character to service the plot point.

    There’s no reason the telepath who came to B5 with news of a traitor in “Divided Loyalties” HAD to be Lyta, Could have been anyone, but Lyta was established, she was a teep and that appearance set her up to return in subsequent seasons as Talia’s replacement.

    General Hague was meant to be in “Severed Dreams.” Robert Foxworth wasn’t available, so Major Ryan was created to fill the whole, just as Garibaldi’s aide fulfilled part of Laurel Takeshima’s storyline when she left the series after the pilot.

    JMS is a utilitarian writer. If an already existent character fits the bill, use ’em. If the actor is unavailable, write a new character to replace them, as was done with Garibaldi and Lyta in CRUSADE.

  6. Katie from Sydney says:

    It always bugged me that Lochley was in the opening titles as she’s almost never there and for what we got only a minor part of the main story. This is what I considered a bit of stunt casting.

    Although having Lochley and the uniforms were what first told me it was a B5 spin-off and not a show about The Crusades which is what I was actually hoping f for when setting a video recorder late at night based only on a title in a TV guide.

    Yeah I know was totally out of the loop but there you go. Also have to say the sword at the beginning of the titles didn’t help my confusion.

  7. Lochley was in the opening titles because Tracy Scoggins was contracted for the same number of episodes as David Allen Brooks, Carrie Dobro, Marjean Holden and Peter Woodward. She was intended to appear in over half the first season episodes. Babylon 5 was originally supposed to function as a frequent stopover destination for the Excalibur, as in “The Rules of the Game,” but–after insisting that Lochley be part of the show–TNT decided they wanted to severe ties with the parent series. As a result, Lochley only appeared in three of the produced 13 (and none of the unproduced scripts). Her slot in the title sequence is vestigial evidence of how important to the series she was planned to be.

  8. It doesn’t usually have B5 related content, but William Shatner’s Raw Nerve on Biography Channel just had two good interviews with Star Trek actors. If you can still watch
    http://www.biography.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=17148752&airingid=17149038
    with Walter Koenig, you’ll hear him talk some about B5 and show his custom statuette with Chekov on one side and Bester on the other, one a popular success and the other a critical success.

    Cheers!
    Michael

  9. I’m surprised no one else seems to have thought of this; but it seemed obvious to me that, after the planned end of season revelation that the Technomages were themselves a shadow creation, someone was going to realize early in the next season that the Technomage nano virus discovered in “The Memory of War” were themselves based on the shadow tech. that carried the plague and could be reconfigured to cure it instead of just provide the limited amount of protection Dr. Chambers came up with.

    On General Hague:
    As I recall, JMS mentioned somewhere that Robert Foxworth accepted a similar role on DS Ripoff, and just happened to double book that role with his prior commitment to return as General Hague. When he realized his mistake, he chose DS9 over B5. JMS then killed off the General to relieve Robert of any more such problems.

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