Babylon Podcast #237: Ruling From the Tomb (Crusade)

Welcome to Show #237!

Tim and Bret reminisce about Klingons passed, William Campbell, Michael Ansara and John Colicos, and we all marvel at the Trek-B5-BSG connections they form.

Deep Geeking: Tim, Summer and Bret discuss “Ruling From the Tomb”, written by Peter David.

Tim has questions about the execution of this episode’s premise. While he’s good with the cropping up of doomsday cults, the abundance of coincidental meetings and convergent threads doesn’t sit well with him.

There are pieces of this episode that were changed or removed between earlier drafts and the final shooting, and details about those are in Crusade: Other Voices, Vol 2, and we can’t wait for Peter David to join us to talk about them.

Why does every shady organization name seem to include “Omega”? Why does the timer on the bomb always get deactivated in the nick of time? Because it was in the script.

Listener Input Requested: Pat Tallman will be joining us on June 1 to discuss the results of the Lyta Alexander favorites poll, so if you have any questions for her, send us an email with the subject “Lyta Questions”.

Lurker’s Guide 2.0: Summer is expanding the documentation to be covered at Lurker’s Guide 2.0, the major change being converting the episode guide into a full Wiki with cross-referenced topics, tidbits and everything you’d want in a Wiki. She’s also still searching for pictures of rare collectibles, photos of magazine covers and toys, and all sorts of other B5 goodies that didn’t get included in the original guide during the years after Crusade. Let her know if you want to lend a hand.

More Parody/Filk Songs Wanted: If you know of any more B5-related fan songs out there, definitely let us know, so we can let other B5 fans know where to buy them! And if those CDs are out of print, let’s brainstorm on ways to get those songs back out there for fans!

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  1. i agree with Tim about too many coincidences in the episode. Also, the way some of the characters meet reflects the changes brought by TNT’s meddling. Some good character moments, but overall not a good, just average episode.

    Why was Lochley handling security and not some other character we have seen like Number 1 from B5? Lochley felt too shoehorned into the episode for me. I haven’t seen the episode in awhile and it is not one I watch when wanting a Crusade fix of 3 or 4 episodes. So I might not be remembering all the details of it, but when ever I look at the title on my DVD set, I say “meh” and go to another episode.

    Rob in MI

  2. Peter David is known for writing Hulk when almost everything at Marvel was terrible. I am not a big fan of the guy after a disastrous autograph meeting for the Centauri Trilogy or should I say non-autograph meeting. We had words about it on AICN’s board where he trolls to back Harry. I would have skipped this if Peter was on, good thing he wasn’t. Not shocked this episode is fairly weak since David is pretty bad without a detailed outline in front of him.

  3. Rob – There’s a scene early on between Lochley and Gideon, in which she mentions that Dr. Franklin specifically requested Lochley to handle security for the conference. However, that still seems like a major stretch. As you say, Number One makes better sense for so many other reasons.

  4. Neil Ottenstein says

    Joe C. – you probably should have written directly to Peter David instead of discussing it on AICN’s board. I’ve never had any problems getting anything signed by him (or in any other interactions with him) – I see him usually twice a year (at Shore Leave and Farpoint in Baltimore).
    His website is
    I don’t love everything he has written (I thought Sir Apropos of Nothing was a bit too nasty for my tastes), but I do enjoy quite a lot of his work. In any case, I am looking forward to hearing what he has to say in a future podcast.

    • Neil, any idea how often he checks his email? I’ve sent two requests now, and not a word back, not even a “No thanks”. Kinda odd.

      • Neil Ottenstein says

        He used to regularly check it. It is his 10 year wedding anniversary yesterday, so he probably is getting a lot of mail about that. Of course you could wish him some congrats and mention the podcast at the same time.

    • Gary The Great says

      Mr. David has been nothing but pleasant, and engaging every time I’ve spoke with him. He signs stacks of just about anything, and is funny too.

  5. He kind of blindsided me on AICN, I forget about what then it spiraled out of control about the autograph. I am maybe attending Shore Leave next year depending on the guest and weather. I think the idea was to find a way to get Lochley into an episode even though it would be easier to say she was there with the Doctor from B5. B5 should have a representative at a confrence like that.

  6. Chris From Poland says
  7. After reading Other Voices volume 2, I realize this might one of the weaker scripts. I do prefer Garibaldi being part of it since it would make sense Michael or at least Edgar’s Industry would sponsor this. However, I guess Jerry Doyle couldn’t do it. I think losing that element might have hurt this episode since it helped develop Dr. Chambers more, who I thought was criminally underused. Yet, I think the plot by JMS was a bit weak, but not impossible to make a good episode. I just don’t like Peter David’s script for it.

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