Babylon Podcast #238: Rebootapalooza

Welcome to Show #238!

We get a minor “Thor” report from Bret, who totally forgot to keep an eye out for the JMS cameo, but he liked the movie.

Voicemails: Father Beast picks at the “Path of Sorrows” disagreement a little more; Gary dives back into “how many triluminaries are there” question; Gary loves the new information that Jason continues to feed us, but wants to know the sources so *he* can go read them for himself; Gary calls out Bret for saying that the new Battlestar Galactica was a stronger show than Babylon 5, which leads to a discussion about whether B5 could have been a different or better show under different circumstances… Bret and Summer appreciate that B5 could have been richer if the darker side of human nature could have been handled more realistically than what was permissible back in 1995 on a fledgling network;

Father Beast lays into Tim for using “magic” as another excuse for hating on “Day of the Dead”; Dean from Detroit agrees with Tim’s sentiment on “Day of the Dead” and explains what he sees as some of it’s shortcomings; Neil from Bowie loves the Season 6 “Crusade” theme opening; Neil loves getting suprises about “Crusade: Other Voices”; Kurt from Calgary wants to know if other people had “B5 Recording Disaster Stories” like his; Arkle celebrates his 4th anniversary of listening to The Babylon Podcast, and he wants us to “re-do” the entire series, but with a new co-host who’s coming to Babylon 5 as a new viewer (talk about your too-soon reboots!);

Carl (?) from California talks about his favorite Lyta moments in “Between the Darkness and the Light”; Ken from Tampa enjoyed the interviews with Marjean and with David;

Listener Input Requested: Pat Tallman will be joining us on June 1 to discuss the results of the Lyta Alexander favorites poll, so if you have any questions for her, send us an email with the subject “Lyta Questions”.

Lurker’s Guide 2.0: Summer is expanding the documentation to be covered at Lurker’s Guide 2.0, the major change being converting the episode guide into a full Wiki with cross-referenced topics, tidbits and everything you’d want in a Wiki. She’s also still searching for pictures of rare collectibles, photos of magazine covers and toys, and all sorts of other B5 goodies that didn’t get included in the original guide during the years after Crusade. Let her know if you want to lend a hand.

More Parody/Filk Songs Wanted: If you know of any more B5-related fan songs out there, definitely let us know, so we can let other B5 fans know where to buy them! And if those CDs are out of print, let’s brainstorm on ways to get those songs back out there for fans!

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  1. It was just a thought Mike, please don’t hurt me. 😉

  2. Saw Thor in 3D. Quite good and the 3D was the way I like it, subtle for the most part.

    To help with “Finding JMS.” If when you see Stan Lee and you didn’t see JMS, you missed the Great Maker. JMS has the camera on him for a good minute or so. I’m guessing it’s like 30 minutes or so in.

  3. Summer, I think what you’re seeking for Tim is the explanation of hyperspace. I’ve forgotten where JMS talked about it — maybe a DVD segment? If folded space can be accessed through use of a jump gate, and certain tech (large ships, advanced races, etc) can obviate the use of a jump gate. and hyperspace spans huge distances in a very, very short time — how is the transposition across light years of a station segment somehow not fair science fiction? JMS oftens wraps advanced physics concepts in spirituality; the techomages are nothing but this idea. It’s a good device in any fiction, too, used by many authors. Any sufficiently advanced tech appears to be magic … to someone.


  4. I really like arkle’s idea about starting over and including a newbie host. I am rewatching M*A*S*H with several online folks. I grew up on the show and have seen the eps multiple times. It’s been great to hear the observations of the newer folks. They often notice bits that I’ve missed, despite my own familiarity with the show.

    Personally, I’d love this podcast to go on forever. But I understand that you guys are ready to move on. Perhaps it would be a project for other folks to take on!

    • Hey, it’s Babylon 5… I don’t think we’ll ever truly “move on” 🙂

      But I would like to explore other projects, and now that I’m once again unemployed, there’s even a concern that I might not be able to finish our planned run for this show.

      But we’ll see what shakes out in the next week or two. After that, it gets sketchy.

  5. Neil Ottenstein says

    “We get a minor “Thor” report from Bret, who totally forgot to keep an eye out for the JMS cameo”
    He Odin to try again.

  6. I am going to send a voicemail on how silly compared to BSG to Babylon 5. I don’t know if it will be airable and I am sure I can’t post it here.

  7. Neil Ottenstein says

    About the number of Triluminaries: In Babylon Squared Scene 93 (page 49):
    [Grey Council #1] unwraps the parcel, revealing the triangular symbol of the Grey Council, and of the Minbari religious caste. It shimmers slightly as he hands it to her.

    Delenn – “The triluminary … I can’t …”
    Grey Council #1 – “There are still two others. It will not be missed for a time. If you are right, you will have more need of it than we will.”

  8. somebody-else says

    Dear Tim

    Sorry, got to bring up Day of the Dead again. Regarding the ‘magic chalk’ – at no point when I’ve watched DotD has it been stated that the chalk does anything more than mark the boundary for which parts of the station the Brakiri have purchased for the night. It doesn’t transport that section of the station anywhere (if it did, how come the rest of it didn’t implode as a result of a massive hull breach?) merely marks off the area that is now deemed Brakiri space – even Lochley states that she’s talking to Sheridan from “x decks up so…” it’s implicit that that section of the station is still attached to the rest of it.

    It’s not ‘magic chalk’ – it’s just chalk.

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