Babylon Podcast #247: Opinionspalooza

Welcome to Show #247!

Tim stumbled across the iFanboy website, and relays to us an article by Ron putting JMS at #10 on his list of “worst things in comics in 2010,” and explains where he feels the JMS shortcomings fell.

Maybe Tim should be upset about him also dropping the ball on the Lensman movie.

Neil also sends us an update on Pat Tallman’s “Pleasure Thresholds” and the special edition that she’ll be signing for sale at San Diego Comic-Con.

Listener Feedback: Neil agrees with Tim on that a B5 remake wouldn’t add anything to the story; Neil appreciated the Carrie Dobro interview, and mentions the Big Finish announcement of them doing new Blake’s 7 audio dramas (and they have never been able to license B5, either); Gary took his kids to see the space shuttle on the launch pad for the last time, and encourages folks to still go take the tours at the different NASA locations even though we aren’t walking in space for the time being; Neil comments on the Crusade episode order discussion in “Crusade: Other Voices, Vol 2”, including the unproduced scripts;

Arkle dislocates his shoulder patting himself on the back as Gary’s inspiration for doing a new B5 rewatch, and puts forth a time-loop rationale for the Dr Kile-Vorlonectomy in “The Gathering”; Neil wants to know if Pat will return to the show to answer all the questions she couldn’t answer before, or if her new book really covers everything, and he wants to know if there’s a known list of Star Trek episodes where you could clearly see her in a freeze frame in mid-stunt; Gary relays an update on JMS’ search for the whereabouts of Michael O’Hare; Neil is looking forward to seeing Stan Lee when he passes through Baltimore in August

Listener emails: from Ben, who suggests that for content we could review other works by JMS and the stories that influenced his stories; Neil reports via JMS’ Facebook page some news about the new Harlan Ellison scripts book “Brain Movies” from Publishing 180, which can be found at

Lurker’s Guide 2.0: Summer is expanding the documentation to be covered at Lurker’s Guide 2.0, the major change being converting the episode guide into a full Wiki with cross-referenced topics, tidbits and everything you’d want in a Wiki. She’s also still searching for pictures of rare collectibles, photos of magazine covers and toys, and all sorts of other B5 goodies that didn’t get included in the original guide during the years after Crusade. Let her know if you want to lend a hand.

More Parody/Filk Songs Wanted: If you know of any more B5-related fan songs out there, definitely let us know, so we can let other B5 fans know where to buy them! And if those CDs are out of print, let’s brainstorm on ways to get those songs back out there for fans!

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Babylon 5 Information Gathering: If you know of a dead or abandoned B5 related website that may be in need of a new home, let Summer know! Maybe we can mirror it here or house it on a sister site.

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  1. Ancient History: Rising Stars had a fairly lengthy delay due to some contractual issues with Top Cow that had to do with unkept commitments arising from the screenplay that he also did for them. Once Top Cow did as they should, the final issues were completed.

  2. I remember reading on Lurker’s Guide that at least a couple of episodes had the CG finished only just before satellite uplink was due. In fact didn’t they mess up on one of them and leave an fire exit visible through a hole in the set that was supposed to be CG’d out? It was fixed after the first airing I think.

    • Yes, that was something I should have clarified. It seemed like post-production was frequently getting done just under the wire with the CG-intensive episodes.

  3. I really have to agree with JMS being pretty terrible this year. I didn’t get Earth One which I heard was good, but as someone who bought the Wonder Woman and Superman, it was a giant disappointment. I don’t think he is the worse thing in comics that to me goes to Grant Morrison. I have loved his Thor an.d Spidey stuff though. Yet, the comics are the least of my concern, its this B5 on again off again reboot. The main concern to me is his facebook rant which I may call in about last this week. That sounded like the ramblings of a mad man.

  4. Neil Ottenstein says

    The Baltimore Comic-Con is this weekend (August 20-21). See
    for details.

  5. Hi there. First of all i’d like to thank you for making these podcasts they raise a lot of good issues on the show. Im 26 and live in the uk. Ive loved babylon 5 since i was a kid. The rich characters and multiple storylines that all tie in together drawn me into the show. The vision of jms to have a bigger picture with b5 was outstanding. although it did feel rushed towards season 4 and 5. the story between lodo and gkar was second to none. The “warts and all” approach to the galaxy that jms used was inspirationional. I could go on and really want to but i dont want to bore you guys. What i wanted to say that the soundboarding for the show really inspired me as a kid. Its what i love about a good scifi film or show. It makes the dramatacism of a battle or an emotional part that much better (ie when londo watched narn get flattened) and its what i want to do with my life if i have the chance too. So id like to thank babylon 5 for helping make me the person i am today. lets just hope we get more b5 in the future

  6. I think Dwight Schultz would be a good interview.

  7. For the people that are re-watching Babylon 5 and commenting on the first season, can they start their own podcast?

    Maybe it’s just me but hasn’t the Babylon Podcast already completed the deep geeking for all 5 seasons of Babylon 5 and have now moved on to deep geeking on Crusade?

    I feel like the show is slowing getting stuck in an infinite loop.

    • How do you see us getting stuck in a loop? We don’t always go into detail for questions about old shows.

      We’re finishing up Crusade, we might talk about how Lost Tales holds up after 4 years now, and then we’re moving on to the novels, comics and collectibles, and then we’ll be truly done, except for the occasional special when the Publishing 180 folks finish up whatever secret future B5/Crusade books come out. What’s repetitive about those topics?

      There are several other newer B5 rewatch shows out there you can check out, including one by our friends over at

      • That’s my point exactly! There are other places where people re-watching the show can make comments. They can follow along with them as they watch the show and make comments with them.

        The topics you mention in your seconds paragraph are EXACTLY the topics I want to hear on the podcast going forward.

        You are right that so far you haven’t gone into details for questions about old shows. So my statement about being stuck in a loop is not accurate. I just prefer hearing comments about the current topics.

        • We cannot help who calls in to ask questions, but we won’t completely ignore them, either. It’s taken this long to actually GET more listeners for the show, we’re appreciative!! And sometimes it’s fun to hear a new question pop up every now and then.

          Plus, if they’re only just now listening to stuff we talked about 150-200 shows ago, it’s going to be a while before they actually get to the feedback show where they’ll hear their message 🙂 And look how long it took for them to find this show… they aren’t going to know how to find any of the newer shows. Hell, I don’t even know about all of them.

          I may go back to those older posts and include the links to Twitter and the forums, but we’re not going to start ignoring voicemail about old episodes at this point. We’re too close to the end for that.

          • David from Memphis says

            Not everyone who listens has been listening since Episode #0, just like not everyone that is a fan of B5 has been since the original airing of the pilot.

            The new callers/new listeners have overall made for some good discussion, and even raised questions that weren’t even thought of when a particular episode was deep-geeked.

            Especially since no one on the podcast has instituted a blanket “feedback is only for what we’re currently discussing”. To me, the lines have always been open.

  8. Neil Ottenstein says

    By the way, you can see some of the effects from Tuesday’s earthquake in these photos on facebook:

    Yes, there is a B5 connection in them.

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