Babylon Podcast #270: To Dream in the City of Sorrows

Welcome to Show #270!

This week, Laura Martos from the League of Non-Aligned Knitters (also Show #200 and Show #133) and John from Jersey (from the Critical Myth Podcast and T’John in Voices of Babylon) join Tim, Summer and Jeremy this week joins the show.

And we all marvel at the fact that the prices for the out of print novels in the Technomage and Centauri trilogies have come down over the past years, and mull over a few rare books that we might not hesitate to spend $100 on if we saw them.

And go watch H+ the Digital Series; Summer is impressed and doesn’t think you’ll be disappointed. It’s the first web series she’s seen since Dr Horrible that she’s planning on buying on DVD even before knowing if one will ever be available [read her review over at Slice of SciFi].

Deep Geeking: To Dream in the City of Sorrows is Book #9 in the original series of novels, and one of the two from that series that have been acknowledged as canon.

Talk about the book ranges from the cover art, the story arcs for Sinclair, Marcus, Catherine and Neroon, the accuracy of the character “voices”, the nagging feeling that this book’s pacing was too fast, and very likely could have been a much better book if it had been allowed to be longer, and more.

And Arkle has graciously volunteered to write a Babylon 5 fanfic that tells the tale of “Phantom of the Opera” with B5 characters. Can’t wait to read it!

Submitting your own Feedback: If you have any suggestions or comments, please let us know! Call, or just email us a comment you’ve recorded yourself!

Lurker’s Guide 2.0: Summer is expanding the documentation to be covered at Lurker’s Guide 2.0, the major change being converting the episode guide into a full Wiki with cross-referenced topics, tidbits and everything you’d want in a Wiki. She’s also still searching for pictures of rare collectibles, photos of magazine covers and toys, and all sorts of other B5 goodies that didn’t get included in the original guide during the years after Crusade. Let her know if you want to lend a hand.

More Parody/Filk Songs Wanted: If you know of any more B5-related fan songs out there, definitely let us know, so we can let other B5 fans know where to buy them! And if those CDs are out of print, let’s brainstorm on ways to get those songs back out there for fans!

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  1. Oh, way to put me on the spot there Summer. I haven’t even finished writing my Marvel RPG character’s “origin” movie yet. 😉 I’m just glad my GM is letting me shoehorn the Lightspeed Rescue team into his backstory. (Google it).

  2. I am not sure why Summer is blaming Singer for X-Men 3 when he had nothing to do with it. If she is playing him for doing Superman Returns, I guess you can, but Fox either needed to wait for him to get done with Superman or paid him not to do it.

  3. There were a few other factors that I read about in the trades at the time.

    Remember Singer was about to start pre-production on X3 when it was announced that he’d also been signed on to work on Superman Returns. iirc, WB was perfectly happy to wait for him to finish X3, but Fox retaliated and kicked him off working on X3. WB sped up the schedule for Superman Returns so they could take advantage of the “controversy” (both movies came out within about a month of each other).

    Singer’s decision to accept WB’s offer at that time, doing a movie for a competitor’s franchise comicbook superhero in the hopes that it was jumpstart the Superman franchise into a dark gritty new world the same way Nolan had jumpstarted Batman, and not even tell Fox he was considering the offer was the problem.

    Fox was blindsided by the announcement, they got their panties in a bunch and they punished Singer (and ultimately us X-Men fans) by kicking him off X3, which doomed it to being less accurate, IMO.

    So yeah, Singer’s responsible for not thinking that working on Superman might be problematic for the people he was working on X-Men with, and at least letting them know ahead of time that he was considering it. I think if Fox hadn’t have been blindsided, they wouldn’t have responded the way they had, and he would have been able to work on both movies.

  4. And my review of the series (plus impressions based on seeing the first 12 eps) is here:

    and an interview with the series creators here:

  5. Marcus was too humble to mention it, but he was a master black belt in karat-ti, and a top master of all forms of kung-fu before he joined the rangers. Ranger training was a minor study.

    You never mention it, so you must not know that the three trilogies were published by the Science Fiction Book Club, each trilogy collected together in a hardback. I found one in a used book store locally, and searched for the other two on Amazon. Paid no more than $30 for each trilogy in used, slightly worn condition (in fact, I considered the condition of each to be BETTER than described by the sellers) by choosing the lowest or next to lowest priced one at the time. Saved a bundle over the total cost of the individual paperbacks, including the grossly over priced ones, and got hardbound versions to boot.

    The Psy Corps Trilogy —
    Legions of Fire (Babylon 5: Centauri Prime Trilogy) —
    The Passing Of The Techno-Mages —

    Unfortunately the sellers with the highest prices seem to be holding fast to their guns, and the lower priced ones are disappearing.

    On Summer’s comment in a previous show on breaking the spine: Rankles me too!


  6. Hey gang, just wanted to chime in from the dark and say I love that this podcast exists and thank you for keeping the fire alive for B5 and all manner of Sci-Fi that I have yet to geek out on. I did an uber-quick (re: binge) rewatch of the series proper recently because I wanted it to be the last tv show that I could do that with before my daughter is born. I found out about this show from scouring the interwebs for all things B5 to trickle into my system for the next few months and have been going back and catching up! Thank you, thank you, thank you guys. Looking forward to getting to know all of you as best I can through the show and again… Thanks!

  7. So, I’m trying to find the podcast where (Summer?) wonders if Babylon 5 (more specifically, Byron) inspired Twilight. Anybody here remember? Probably Year 4 somewhere of the podcast, I’m thinking.

    • It was very likely during one of the episodes where we were talking about the early Season 5 episodes, especially when the telepaths story line came to the forefront.

      I might be able to dig up which one that was… could it have been related to the Hair episode?

      …and it dawns on me that the search function that used to be on the website isn’t anymore. I must have missed that in the redesign. Luckily, I can fix that!

      • Thanks…right now I’m thinking Phoenix Rising, though I still need to listen to it again. I just thought maybe someone here remembered the exact episode.

        Please do! I’ve been missing the search function…

  8. Tim pushed one of my buttons again. The Shadow War he took B4 back in time to wasn’t the first Great War by such a margin it isn’t even funny. It was the second to last in a series that went back eons.

    • Paul, I pushed a button AGAIN? I must be on a roll! XD
      As for the Great War, I believe Delenn refers to that 1,000-years-ago conflict in that way. I could be wrong (it’s happened before).

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